wmsc-transcript-13-09-2007.pdf is an interesting document, should you come across it. It is the transcript of the 13th September 2007 FIA meeting which decided to fine McLaren (holds pinky finger to corner of mouth) $100m.
I won't include this image, but I'll link to it: http://www.sniffpetrol.com/wp-content/uploads/mosleymillionaire.jpg
It's of particular interest because it's yet another case of blacking-out confidential information by adding a black bar above the text in the PDF; a simple copy/paste shows the infringing text.
It's also very long (115 pages), but occasionally amusing, such as this interview with Lewis Hamilton (the new kid in the team, who had nothing to do with the case, unlike his colleague, Fernando Alonso). MILL is McLaren's attorney; TOZZI is Ferrari's. MOSLEY is the President of the FIA.
Mr Hamilton, you have a copy of your statement in front of you. Please look at the second page. Is that your signature toward the bottom of this page?
Have you read this statement?
Are the contents true to the best of your knowledge and belief?
Mr TOZZI, do you wish to ask any questions of Mr Hamilton?
I have no questions for Mr Hamilton.
Does anyone have any questions for Mr Hamilton?
Thank you very much, Mr Hamilton.
We are making very good progress!
I don’t think it will go on that way…
... It didn't!
Comments for 'F1 Spying'
|Thu 20 Sep 2007 @ 22:52 GMT : Steve Parker|
Interesting line from de la Rosa
|Regarding engineers and drivers passing data between teams:|
Pedro DE LA ROSA
It was common practice in Formula 1. If that is wrong, then we are all wrong. That is what I have
been doing. I have been listening with all of our fellow drivers. I can give you lots of examples, if
you want. I don’t know what all of this is about. This is common practice. We talk about car setups,
rivals, etc., all day long. It is our passion. It is as simple as that. There is nothing else.
|Thu 20 Sep 2007 @ 23:49 GMT : Steve Parker|
c'mere c'mere... and there's more...
The material placed before the World Council has not been read by all of the World Council
members. Therefore, for the Members to understand, I would like to repeat what took place. That is entirely reasonable.
First, the relationship between Fernando and myself is extremely cold. That is an understatement.
In Fernando’s mind, there is the firm belief that our policy, whereby each driver receives equal
treatment, doe not properly reflect his status as World Champion.
|Thu 20 Sep 2007 @ 23:54 GMT : Steve Parker|
He hee, it keeps getting better:
After matters had calmed down with Mr Alonso and you were once again on speaking terms, you
did not ask him then…
We are not on speaking terms, but that does not matter.
|Thu 20 Sep 2007 @ 23:58 GMT : Steve Parker|
Why is Mr Alonso not here?
Mr Alonso is not here because he does not want to be here. He does not speak to anyone much. He
is a remarkable recluse for a driver. He is not here by choice. Moreover, he said he had other
things to do by previous arrangement. I cannot force him to come. We asked him to come.
I don't read the tabloid press, and I get the strong impression that the UK's ITV television team are uneasy with this whole issue, but this is cracking stuff. It certainly puts paid to any "Is Alonso likely to be at McLaren next year?" conversations!
|Fri 21 Sep 2007 @ 23:29 GMT : Steve Parker|
|Alonso showed the documents to Bernie Ecclestone!|
There's another goodie on Pages 79-80, where Ferrari's TOZZI shows McLaren's TAYLOR a confidential Ferrari diagram, and asks if that is what (McLaren's) Couglhan had shown him. Taylor says "This is not the document that Mr Coughlan showed me", and Tozzi replies, "Perhaps you could hand that one back then!"
According to Neale, Coughlan's boss's boss, Coughlan then arranged for Stepney's emails to him to be blocked, and met Stepney to ask him to stop contacting him with his complaints against Ferrari. Suggests that Stepney was unhappy at Ferrari.
Ross Braun confirms that Coughlan worked for him "for a brief period at Ferrari", though he only admits to having interviewed him; it is possible, from the text, that Coughlan passed the interview and did work briefly at Ferrari some time around 2005/6.
Ferrari's closing statement:
McLaren's closing statement:
With the greatest of respect, the question is not: can McLaren prove that it has not used Ferrari’s confidential information, but rather the opposite. Is it established, to the standard that the President himself suggested was appropriate, and that is a very high standard indeed, that we did use the information? Of course not. How can it? We are left with the suspicion that the President has, based on the slightly theatrical run-through of those pages, as he stood up and showed everyone the two files. The suspicion that there is probably something in there. Fine. Then the response is not bring us back here, let alone throw us out of the championships. Rather, you bring in Mr Whiting.
|Sat 22 Sep 2007 @ 00:14 GMT : Steve Parker|
Pages 103+ - Conclusions
|More frustration; Ian Mill has already mentioned his lack of sleep, then - at the start of the conclusions:|
I've always liked Ron Dennis, but I am inclined to believe him. Such sincerity can only come from the innocent, or from the most experienced actor.
So what did Mr Mosley conclude?
Let me simply set the scene, so that there is no doubt. Were we to exclude McLaren from this year’s championship, the FIA’s precedent in 1984 is such that, for all practical purposes, it would be as though the team had never entered.
So Max Mosley concluded what many of us commoners surmised - that if the McLaren car was "dodgy" (for want of a better word), then the drivers' wins in that car were equally dodgy, and should be discounted.
Lewis Hamilton's attorney then made the following plea:
Lewis Hamilton has done nothing wrong. He has driven brilliantly and is leading the Drivers’ Championship by 3 points. If McLaren were banned from competing in the remaining races, Lewis Hamilton would not be able to compete in the final four races. He would lose the points that he has so brilliantly won over the last few months, to the sheer delight and excitement of millions of ordinary motor racing fans.,,,
As for the "FIA in Ferrari's pocket", Max Mosley commented, "How could I look Raikkonen in the eye and tell him that other drivers, benefiting not only from their own manufacturer’s technology, but also that of Ferrari [won the championship]. He would say that this is indeed very unfair." This is the only time that Max has played the emotion card (and let's face it, Kimi isn't the most emotional character on the grid!)
Hamilton's counsel then goes on to say:
If there had indeed been wholesale transfer of technology from one team to another, you are postulating a circumstance in which you are satisfied that the car used by Driver A is a hybrid Ferrari. Were that the case, I can well see that you would reach the point where it would be justified to exercise the most extreme sanction.
So - Max Mosley's conclusion:
The Sporting Code (Article 152) provides that removal of the manufacturers’ points also entails removal of the drivers’ points, barring exceptional circumstances. We believe that to be the case in that the drivers were given immunity; they therefore will not lose their points. Therein lies the exceptional circumstance. It is our belief that, without making that offer to the drivers, we would
It seems rather as if Hamilton's attorney held the final sway; it's impossible to say without having been at the meeting, but having the transcript must be the next best thing. It would appear that - with the main offender (Alonso) abstaining, and the innocent driver providing an attorney at the cruical moment, that the entire decision was made on the basis of the final few minutes of the day.
Regarding any possible changes to the 2008 car that may be mandated by the FIA, Ron Dennis asked that it be ASAP:
|Sat 22 Sep 2007 @ 00:16 GMT : Steve Parker|
|I have been known to ramble, myself, but that is the end of my redux of the statement.|
Oh - in case you were wondering; the most commonly-obscured word was "valve". The rest were probably "front", "back", "brake bias", and "the".
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